You learned that your defective, obsessive, and diseased mind is bent on its own destruction: that is simply the nature of alcoholism, your newly diagnosed affliction. Ruin is inevitable.
They exploited the desires, fears and sins you revealed during “Step Work” to exact obedience and stifle doubt.
Then they sent you out into the world to proselytize for them: to convince others they are similarly defective and obsessed even if they don’t realize it, insisting that their claim to drink just because they want to is a lie, even as you deny trying to convince anyone they are alcoholic. And you do it, because it’s an essential part of the only known cure.
Now they sit back and laugh, waiting for you to self-destruct because one day you you wake up in a good mood and forget to beseech your Higher Power for protection from your own mind’s lethal obsessions and at the end of the day when you suddenly remember and reach for the phone to call your sponsor, it’s too late because the combination of vodka you picked up on the way home to commemorate a successful day (an old habit you assumed was long since broken), and a nearly full prescription of vicodin left over from a previous surgery (whose longevity you and your sponsor recently agreed was sure proof of progress even while you wondered why she didn’t demand that you flush it immediately), has already shut down the nerve signalling pathways controlling the muscles in your extremities, thereby rendering a maligned and abused but normal brain truly and hopelessly powerless, for the first time ever.
That’s the most common modus operandi of Alcoholics Anonymous, the brainwashing cult of powerlessness that doubles as a drinking club (oh you thought AA was a treatment for alcoholism? Gotcha haha!), and it happens many times every day in this country. They thirst for your blood because it makes them stronger; your expiration increments the obscene statistic that stands as this year’s testament to the fearsome power of the same affliction that now threatens the life of tonight’s featured speaker even as he stands here before us: a humble Christian, and at one time not so long ago another certain victim of the disease, were it not for his discovery of a simple but powerful program, which worked when nothing else did, and which not only rescued his poor and admittedly imperfect soul from certain death but offered it abundant life; the initiation of which requiring only a willingness to admit the power of an undeniably deadly disease; and for its maintenance his continuous vigilance lest it return. The disease withered as he advanced in the program in which he learned to exercise rigorous honesty in all his affairs; and finally the infernal malady receded, though it left behind in its wake a shameful trail of sin, which he regrets and for which he has made amends, as our program requires. He then proceeds to recount the harrowing details. We listen and much to our surprise he is laughing and we are laughing! The recovery from our condition has strengthened us and made us resilient, and we are able to find humor in the midst of the suffering and hardship it created for us and the ones we care about most. Indeed, we are not a glum lot.
You chuckle along with the group at the stories of mischief, unaware of the high cost the cult has incurred for them, or that this obligation can be satisfied only by the blood of its members. Who will die for this man’s sins? That question never occurs to you. For now you are focused on your recovery, while you relish the warm welcome of the fellowship. Their eager hugs and knowing smiles suggest a genuine appreciation of your suffering, even if the repeated demands for ‘rigorous honesty’ about past mistakes left you demoralized. They say you’re making progress.
You recommit yourself to the Steps as our speaker advised and wait your turn for the promised miracle, wondering if you really have admitted utter powerlessness to your disease as he did, and trying to remember what he even said about that.
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The Real Alcoholics of AA pour their drinks and take their seats, laughing about their new disciples. Who will be first to attain true knowledge? The bets are placed and the curtain is lifted. The demons settle in to watch an eloquent apostle of our “cunning and baffling” condition start her day in a good mood and conclude it in silent vindication. The curtain falls and the room erupts in raucous cheers: the old prank remains as young as the blood that affords it. The winner of the pool soaks in the accolades and starts to plan her merry escapade, which will only wax more lurid in its retelling. Brew sloshes and spills from a goblet raised jubilantly in its own honor.
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My advice is to get out now and don’t look back. Maybe stop by your local church on the way home and see if they have any openings for service work.
And for gosh sakes, don’t mix alcohol and drugs!
AddictionMyth gratefully acknowledges the contribution of Dr. Drew Pinsky for this article.
Read more:
- Powerlessness as Religion – Only the good die young
- The Problem of the Jews: a Lesson in Brainwashing Propaganda – How AA bamboozled a country
- The Drinking Club – Watch what they do, not what they say
- Cory Monteith: The Cult of Powerlessness Claims Another Victim – Fresh from a role as a drug addict
- AA is a Pagan Cult – You got a problem with that?
- School for Scoundrels – What you actually learn in the rooms
- The Little Psychopath Could: How the Addiction Myth creates new Drug Addicts
- Addict Science – A rising Tower of Babel
Addiction myth….you sound like Satan!
You people shouldn’t say things like that because coming from you I’ll take it as a compliment!
Addiction Myth ,…news flash,…you are a pompous little prick who has never felt poison runnng through his veins. You are a train wreak of resentment,…just a grown up child looking for attention,….if a bunch of mis fits who gather together to find their way home while sharing kindness makes you so angery,…maybe you should look at your addiction to proving there is no such thing a addiction. Your hatred is your Karma…I love you ,……and toast to you today with another shot Jack,,, you are Karma on the hoof.,….it is fun to wacth you run.
Wow, what a well- reasoned, well-documented and cogent argument in support of your position.
Nothing like personal attacks on an author to demonstrate the fact that the writer has absolutely no evidence or logic to use to support their opinion.
When they launch into a personal attack they are just talking about themselves. For example, he says “it is fun to wacth you run”. Indeed, it is fun to watch them run. Karma is catching up – and it’s a bitch! 🙂
Bourbon on Bourbon Street
Does anyone know a good cold and sinus remedy?
I prefer ABC meetings myself
don’t forget to pick up your scarlet letter AA pin on the way out the door
you are powerless without our cult’s help to control you- praise Jebus
AA is bullshit… without a doubt
this is fucked up
I agree. AA almost killed me….thanks for the post.
Get your programs correct. The girl who ditched you was an Alanon.
Thanks for all your posts. It is a good thing to question. No matter what kind of group you join, never just have blind faith. People are just people and all are fallible. I do believe, however, we should respect others’ opinions, even if they are different from our own. A lot can be learned through different points-of-view. I must admit I am leery of AA because my own mother was an alcoholic. Some a AA people mistakenly thought she should go off her medications as well as stop drinking. Although they had good intentions, their advice caused my mother to stop her medication abruptly and she became very depressed and commit suicide. My own personal experience has proven most people are helpful in AA, but I don’t take everything to heart. The principles are generally good. Ultimately one has to trust oneself, and be aware of how influential people can be.
Illuminati I’m comin for Yu bitches
So sorry for your loss.
It’s wise to remember that not only individuals, but groups, are fallible, and even if people have good intentions and hopes, bad advice can have damaging consequences.
I wish you the best for the coming year.
When I first attended a meeting I was told by one guy the same thing I explained that I had been sober almost 1 yr without meds and had put a loaded gun in my mouth and fired . The gun malfunctioned so I went and got loaded because I truely wanted to die. I also pointed out the paragraph that states some must seek outside help as well and that if it dr given and used properly it was not only helping to save my life but most likely his as well. No one ever said anything about my doctor given used correctly crazy bitch pills again.
i am so glad i read all the good things about AA . GOD has spoken through all you people
AA truly works only if u work it. If sucks if u dont. My life is a miracle. Almost 4 years later . I love myself. King Alcohol tried to ruin my life . If u say im brainwashed. Im ok with it . My brain needed washing 4 years ago. I am 4ever greatful 2 AA
No, you were an idolater of King Alcohol and you have decades of mischief to show for it. Then he betrayed you and started to favor a younger crowd. So the 12 Step cults exorcised him from your soul and replaced him with their true Higher power. Now you teach the younger crowd that they too can enjoy decades of powerlessness to King Alcohol like you did, if they are not first destroyed by him.
If you have to do all the work, why should AA get the credit, and not the person actually doing the work – you?
Your reply reflects the experience of hundreds of people who are living the promises today. Like me. It truly is a miracle. I needed not only my brain ‘washed’ but my body and spirit as well. If AA saves 1 life, as it has mine, it is worthy of praise. AA is not only about not drinking…it is about living a fulfilled life. Practicing it’s principals in all one’s affairs creates a better life and a better world. The evidence before me has proven this. Lives and families restored! My sympathy goes out to anyone who has lost a loved one who happened to be in AA at some point. It is a tragedy they were unable to replace the baffling power of alcoholic thinking with the principals laid out in this simple program. While it is simple, it is not easy. The best outcome results from vigilant adherence and not complicating AA suggestions. And it should be said, AA itself does not suggest going against the advice of a qualified, licensed physician. In fact, the history of AA documents examples of consulting with the medical community.
AA doesn’t put down other organizations that help people, why do you feel the need to do so, I think anyone seeking help should find what feels right for them. There is no wrong way to recover, except with negativity and the need to prosecute others for not believing in your exact way. Not one way works for everyone. Addicts of all kind just need a safe place to go to heal.
I’m just offering another option, and many people agree except for a few AA zealots. Why put down something that works for so many? I think you need to go back to your meetings and not worry so much about what other people think. Probably what got you in trouble in the first place.
Yeah I feel the same way. This guy is full of shit. I only wonder if he ever was an alcoholic. The (program) has tools, free tools mind you, and everything in the program is a suggestion, no one has to do anything, they do it of there own acord. People that come to the program come to believe in a power of there own understanding, not someone else’s. This guy has no idea.
You are correct…this guy has no idea. In 17 years I have seen the program of AA turn countless lives around, and watched several who were unable to do what was SUGGESTED and find a Higher Power of their own understanding, die. When I see all of the folks that the program of AA has helped, I wonder where these AA bashers come from…
To treat most diseases – in fact all real physical diseases – the medical treatment cures or improves symptoms whether the patient believes in a higher power or not. Yet in the case of “alcoholism”/”addiction” we have a “disease” that can only be seen in Behavior (there’s no bacteria, virus, prion, hormone excess or deficiency, organ malfunction or malformation, no genetic variation that can distinguish “addicts” from humans who just just a drug/alcohol) and can only be “treated” with a very particular version of religion?
Sooo.. you understand the 12 step program? And you mention a particular religion? I am far from religious and actually never cracked a bible open in my life. I have amazing success in my life from AA. So from that I see your post is once again a common issue with the addiction myth people, a case of “contempt prior to investigation”. I suggest that you understand that in which you show so much disdain.
Its real simple. If you don’t think it works, keep drinking! You’re not ready for it yet! It will be there for you when or if you need it.
And yes, read between the lines.
Awesome
Drinking club
We do not believe that drug and alcohol dependency is a disease. Instead, we believe it is the result of one or more of the following four causes:
Chemical imbalance
Unresolved events from the past
Beliefs you hold that are inconsistent with what is true
Inability to cope with current conditions
You deserve something different. Something better. Something that works. Call now (866) 504-1430.
At Passages – Addiction Ends Here™
‘Prentiss immediately tells me the I Ching is “the greatest book ever written,” that “it tells the future with 100 percent accuracy.” He tells me he has written more books on the I Ching than any writer in the world.’
http://www.laweekly.com/2008-06-26/news/buying-the-cure/?showFullText=true
Passages Malibu Ive been wanting to address you for years, Im glad you posted! Your ideals rob money from desperate families and kill people! How many indigent patients do you treat per year? My guess is ZERO.
CROCK OF B.S.!!
Nothin compared to AA’s death rate.
Well said
While AA/NA is a set up that uses faith healing techniques to “treat” a lifelong, incurable, relapsing “disease” (which can’t be demonstrated via infection, organ malformation or malfunction, hormone excess or deficiency, traumatic injury) – and the claim to treat a fake disease makes it impossible to demonstrate that the treatment doesn’t work, Passages Malibu says they don’t treat a disease – but they still take as a given that “drug and alcohol dependency” is a thing that some humans have (and others don’t? It’s unclear)
Passages Malibu’s list of “causes” for alcohol and drug dependency is interesting, but let’s ask
1. What chemicals are “imbalanced”? What published, peer review research demonstrates the connection between which chemicals and which symptoms? If it’s a chemical imbalance, then wouldn’t the “treatment” be to correct the chemical levels? When, say, thyroid hormones are out of range, administering either supplemental hormones or hormone suppressors or surgery to remove nodules producing excess hormones (depending on whether it’s too little or too much) is enough – thyroid patients don’t need to publicly air their bad behavior or recruit new thyroid patients.
2. What makes an event from the past “unresolved”? Or is it the person’s feelings about certain past events are unhappy feelings, or that the person dwells on unhappy situations in the past? Considering recent research on memory, demonstrating memories are malleable and influenced by subsequent events and learning, and that a person’s mood in the present influences which memories are easier for the person to recall in that moment (a happy person more easily recalls happy events), what memories a person calls up is a variable thing, and how the person looks at the memory is variable. Encouraging people to bring up unhappy past events could easily lead to a vicious cycle – unhappy present feelings reinforced by recalling unhappy past events. reinforcing present unhappiness making easier the recall of more unhappy past events and coloring the memories of the past by making them seem even gloomier. All humans have regrets, this is not a phenomenon that only a subset of humans have.
3. Beliefs that are “untrue”. Who decides which beliefs are untrue and where is the peer reviewed published science on this?
4. Inability to cope with current conditions. This sounds like a catch-all explanation – as do #2 & #3.
The question that the people who are employed by (or investors in) any facility that claims to “treat” “drug and alcohol dependency” won’t ever ask is “what if ‘dependency’ on alcohol/drugs is just a garbage-pail term for a collection of behaviors that humans can engage in whether or not they regularly consume alcohol &/or drugs?”
Because if such a phenomenon is taken as a given, and doesn’t need to be proven to exist, jobs and dividends are secure. – and health insurance pays the bills.
If there is no firm divide between who suffers “dependency on drugs and alcohol”, then any human in America is a potential customer.
My favorite is “Beliefs that are untrue.” How about ‘addiction is a disease’, “I’m a drug addict”, “I’m an alcoholic”.
The cult will crumble if starved of new blood. How to achieve this? Criticize the professionals who promote it (there are fewer and fewer). (Sites like rehabs.com, thefix, and substance.) Warn the newcomer about the dangers of AA (bullying, brainwashing, suicide). I agree addiction isn’t a disease, but these people aren’t impressed by logic and science. In fact, that is how they define themselves.
What BS…12 step meetings have helped thousands..GET A LIFE….A HOLE
12 step meetings have helped thousands to kill millions.
http://addictionmyth.com/aa-has-killed-millions/
Ahole, huh ? Yeah, you sound really recovered. How come AA members talk about god and spirituality in meetings, then spew their evil and hate on forums? I’ve seen this time and again.
Probably because there’s no actual evidence (published, peer reviewed studies) to show that alcoholism &/or addiction is a disease and that rewriting one’s life story to match the AA template is a viable treatment – so they’re stuck with using the disreputable rhetorical techniques of ad hominem attacks, name calling and just loudly demanding that the entire country believe in their made up disease and their made up faith healing cure (loudness and demands as techniques to distract from the complete lack of facts for them to use to support their views)
I don’t talk about god most time I believe he has a sick discussing sence of humour, and I’ve never claimed to be spiritual I do believe in nature as my higher power and I also understand that I’m human and as such will never believe in the god of your bible
Whoever you are that has written this you are truly a sad desperate lonely depressed anxious hurt and pitiful person.. you have always been the victim in your life…probably bullied…neglected as a child…abused…disregarded by your peers… you are easily misunderstood… You are lost spiritually and have worked diligently to find your spiritual core and to no avail… i will pray for you … for your ignorance to cease from your being… for an end to the affliction that remains manifest in your life… for you to find a sense of truth and enlightenment on the plateau of your spiritual life …..that you may find a place inside where you are truly at peace with yourself and content with your environment… you are truly a sick person on various levels of your being… i mourn inside for you and all who find themselves as lost as you are… I wish everything that is well may come into your presence that you may find hope and direction and the attention that you so outwardly seek…. I am 24 years old and i have my whole life ahead of me to reach outward towards others understanding their pain and with empathy and patience help them fight their afflictions… thanks to this thing which you without true understanding call a cult…this abomination you have written will destroy more life than the love that i have been shown and will give freely to others… I hold inside a passion strong for you and the help you need… GOD BLESS -Mat D.-
“abomination” – thanks I take that as a compliment. Say buh-bye to your drinking club. 🙂
We aren’t going anywhere Satan! !
You know you’re doing something right when the satanists call you Satan. 🙂
thank you for your comments. i have been in AA FOR 39 YEARS AND HAVE NOT HAD A DRINK …………. it is certainly not a cult because we have no leaders, AAPEOPLE ARE THE BEST IN THE WORLD AND I STILL NEED PEOPLE, thanks again nancy b.
Pardon me, but you sound a very sick judgmental nut job. You AA ers are all alike, you come to forums, shit all over everyone who doesn’t believe your bullshit, then you pray for them. Just like old southern preachers. I recently flat out quit AA after reading the internet evil that is expressed by so called recovering alcoholics. The evil and cruelty you had when drinking continues into sobriety. Such twisted and warped hypocrisy.
What he said!
After going to a few meetings (about 6000 at last count) I am happy to say I am in a spot today where it’s ok for you to have your opinion without me feeling a need to change it nor do I allow your ideas threaten a way of life that works for me today. I am not a book memorizer nor, but I love that statement to the affect of the one thing that will keep a man in everlasting ignorance is contempt prior to investigation. I do have one question that the BB, AA, the Bible, nor church has yet answered. Why in the world would God create more horses asses than he created horses???? and never forget rule 62!
Absaloutly!
Passages Malibu Ive been wanting to address you for years, Im glad you posted! Your ideals rob money from desperate families and kill people! How many indigent patients do you treat per year? My guess is ZERO.
CROCK OF B.S.!!
Love it Don 1982!! I’ll keep coming back! This jackass obviously is one fry short of a Happy Meal!
The recovery program of AA and 12 steps is the bace for 100`s to recovery from all thing. But only if you have the will and corage to change!
AddictionMyth is a sick person. Please forgive this person because they are uninformed and have a closed mind. We in AA don’t try to convince anyone of anything. Don’t believe what AddictionMyth has written because it is not true. If you suffer from alcoholism please attend an AA meeting with and open mind and willingness and honesty. Research for your self. Several books on AA are Dr. Bob and the good old timers, Pass it on, and AA comes of age. They will give you the history of AA and the success rate for those who really work at their own recovery.
Lol. Meetings a bit sparse lately?
I get who you are . . .just a guy with his own uneducated thoughts . . .and a person who never really was an alcoholic . . .just a strange human . . .without real life expierence . . .your not married . . . Never had a girl . . .dont like kids . . .and have no friends who respect you !
You are a very common guy . . and uneducated !
I resemble that remark!
So people should have an open mind about AA and a closed mind about anyone who questions AA?
Excellent !
This article is deadly! AA is the one proven treatment to arrest alcoholism. The author should be ashamed.
AA is not the one proven treatment. It is the one thing that did NOT work for me. I am happy to say that I have been sober for a little over 2 years now WITHOUT AA!
I’ve worked with alcoholics and drug addicts for 10 years and the ones that have quit successfully, are the ones that simply grew up and realized their lives would never get better if they didn’t quit. To brainwash a 17 year old that he is defected, and he will always be an addict/alcoholic is setting him up for failure. If AA is so great, why does is there so much addiction nowadays? Sure, some are successful, but the majority aren’t and they continue getting arrested and making money for law enforcement, rehab centers, etc…..it’s sad that so many have fallen prey to this diabolical conspiracy.
If it works why knock it dummy!
your comments and or blog are anything but the truth, you seem self centered and childish. What high price, AA has never asked for a thing, it manages own it’s own,”a not for profit” in it’s truest form. Your small essay seems to be written by a person who ‘got it’ and then could not keep it. No one in AA has ever asked me for a thing, only their time and it is a program of attraction not promotion or recruitment.
One other thing the use of words lets start with the word ‘cult’, please use it in it’s correct meaning. You may notice AA does not fit. If you don’t stay sober that’s your deal, no one is going to come after you to join. AA is a fellowship of men and women, who will help each other if asked. not a cult.
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The creator of this Blog has been hurt or maybe she has just been “:dised “by someone in AA and is having a hard time geting over it ! she is lucky she can’t be forced into the rooms
if you been hurt or disrespected in AA just walk away unless you really have anything else to do have the time and need to keep chewing on old wounds this I don’t I got to go!
Brian
Bless you !
Awesome retort from an aa member who understands what we do. Well said.
Alcoholics Anonymous was identified as a cult by two sociologists that infiltrated its meetings in 1984.
Alexander, F., Rollins, M. “Alcohoics Anonymous: The Unseen Cult” . California Sociologist, Vol.7(no.l): 33-48, 1984
http://www.morerevealed.com/archives/aa–the-unseen-cult–california-sociologist-1984.pdf
Cool – can’t wait to read it!
I may be wrong.
Maybe someone you know was not helped with AA. or maybe you’re still drinking and in denial. Either way. It works. Were all a bunch of drunks learning how to live life and cope without alcohol. And yes, Life Does Get Better.
I don’t have much to say because I have not been going to meetings for a few months and I am feeling nuts, uncomfortable in my own skin.
I know that my encounter with AA is a God inspired experience. As I also believe in Jesus Christ as MY Higher Power I can see the entire program in its essence is nearly a carbon copy of TRUE Christanity as I can see, as a seminary educated person in a “I believe the Bible to be the inspired Word of God” upbringing and experienced my powerful “conscious contact” and salvation at age ten! I “met the Master” of my soul. Later I found the vocabulary to describe my experience as I felt an “aura” about me that I now describe as a “love that is out of this world!” I later backslid or relapsed a number of times but my AA experience was a powerful return to the God of my youth! Not all persons in AA believe in God and even athiests and agnostics do recover from alcohol and some eventually state “I did not believe in God before AA!” AA, according to many negative comments about it I beleve is by persons who do not fully understand the full spiritual contant of the program. Some go to Bible believing churches as a result of coming into AA. The truth, as I understand it, is that God can and will make Himself known to the ones who are truly open minded and admit that noone can actually prove the existance or non existance of God. I believe this is by supernatural revelation and only God can prove His existance to those who are willing! God bless all the faithful and lovingly guide others to His saving Grace!
LOL if you were Christian you’d be teaching the 10 Commandments not the 12 Steps. And you wouldn’t refer to anonymous anal sex while drunk as ‘backsliding’.
I’m praying for you!
Addiction myth, you come across as a very bitter, sarcastic and mean spirited person. I feel kind of sorry for you. I wonder what causes you to attack and try to hurt others?
How did AA harm you? What happened to you? I sincerely wish that you can overcome your difficulties and find a measure of tranquility. That is all that most of us want. It’s not easy to attain, you might try therapy or fellowship in other organizations, but it that does not work, you can try with the help of the 12 step program of AA.
The 12 steps of AA are saving my life. A lot of addictive thinking has gone into this site.
Addiction is by NO means a myth. Those like me and other AA’s describe alcoholism as a disease and one that needs intervention and treatment to recover. The medical people also hold that addiction to any drug is not a myth. I have met hundreds of AA’s who believe this. The only harm coming to anyone in AA I believe is a mistaken understanding. Some claim AA did not work for them but the truth I believe is that they did NOT work the program. One day by the Grace of God they will return!
I drank and drugged for 28 years and ended up broke and homeless. Not knowing how to live life without drugs and alcohol but not know how I could survive any longer with them. I walked into AA 8 years ago and never used again. I needed a new to live. I needed some direction. And I didn’t have a dime to go to any rehabs or for any miracle drug that could help me. Thank God AA was there with the doors open and for no cost. Cult? Your dumb. I know people in AA that follow many different religions and lots that don,t. It’s my experience that the people who find something bad to say about AA are the ones that can’t handle it.
I usually don’t debate this kind of outspoken non-sense.
I am a recovering person. AA has saved my life plain and simple.
I never had any boundaries and now I have the 12 steps that set up the boundaries I needed to learn how to be a decent person.
If it works for you then use it. If it doesn’t then keep looking for something that may help you. It is a shame that people are so angry and alone, that they strike out at anything and anybody that does not agree with them. Scott Wagner
AA is not a cult or even a religion. If it were, we would have an identifiable “Grand Poobah” of some sort. An ultimate authority on everything like you! The head of the main AA office in NYC is not even an Alcoholic. Even if he “edictified”, which he never would, no one would pay attention to him anyhow.
The meetings are not ritualistic. Each group is autonomous as long as what they do does not interfere with other groups or AA as a whole . There is a whole gamut of meeting types. Most are satisfied with reading the “Preamble” and starting the meeting. Prayers are optional by Group Conscience.
God is as we, and really I, understand him. That god can be anything from a light bulb to a monster with multiple legs and breathing fire out of all its anatomical orifices to humanity itself.
The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking. No one has to stop and many don’t for long periods and some never stop. If they say they are members, though, they are! No one has to promise anything, accept any tenets or do anything.
AA is not a “Treatment”. It does have some steps that can be helpful but are not required. The main idea is that we find out who the problem is for ourself and learn to accept help from others. The “Fellowship” is then there for us all to help with that. We do a pretty good job at that.
AA does Work! Perhaps other method do too and more power to them!
AA is a suicide cult. Any group that requires you to pray daily to your ‘lightbulb’ or ‘Group of Drunks’ to relieve you of a deadly affliction is a cult. And any group that says you will kill yourself if you don’t is a suicide cult. AA is a drinking club as well, and has been shown to increase binge drinking. Of course AA doesn’t require you to do or believe anything. All you have to do is convince the newcomer that they are ‘powerless to alcohol’ (Step 1). After that point they are putty in your hands. Get them to admit their sins and insecurities with ‘rigorous honesty’ and you have the keys to the kingdom. You then proceed to abuse and exploit them for fun and profit and call it ‘learning to accept help from others’. No wonder you defend the cult so tenaciously. How many of your sponsees are you still on speaking terms with?
You sell alcohol for the weak-minded fools along with prescription drugs. You teach our kids Left-brain methods of education totally ignoring the right brain. You give us one God fits which is the cause of painful unbalance psychic mind in which your alcohol & prescription drugs does the trick to elevate the pain which makes us the victum of our own extinction. AA is just a matrix where truth and spiritually is to be found where truth will set you FREE, its so simple as brushing your teeth or you drink alcohol take prescription eat shit and die mauda fucker
I wonder why anyone would need to attack AA? It’s not an organization, it has no leaders, it requires nothing from it’s “members” and the AA 12 step program works wonders to help people get sober and stay sober. What is wrong with that? The above article offers a totally twisted view of AA. I’ve been sober and drug free for almost 30 years and I have never see anyone being coerced or abused or used in AA. Surely there are bad people in AA as in any other part of life and surely they can victimize others. But the likelyhood of this is far less than in any other situation.
AAs are not likely to allow a predator in their midst as the people are as honest as they can be and being alcoholics and drug users, they are very wise to liars and posers. Predators would stick out as a sore thumb and be exposed immediately by their own words….
AA does not align itself with any religion, organization or institution. It requires nothing for membership. In order to get sober one would need a desire to stop drinking, but even that is not necessary to attend AA meetings. No one will ask you for anything and you need not even give your first name. There is no compulsion to do anything.
AA gave me a good shot at a better life. I’m much better for having put the drink and drugs down. All I have given AA is some of my time and a few dollars (which are not required). In return, AA has given me a good life and a good way to deal with life’s problems and joys. Attacking AA is a very foolish pastime that will gain nothing and might cost someone their life.
Wow. Spoken like a true predator. Thanks for demonstrating exactly what to watch out for!
my name is david b. i am an alcoholic ,i am 49 years old and have used alcohol since the age of seven .Iam very stupid when i get drunk ,i have a lifelong history of trouble due to this.im am done drinking because i am tired of all the trouble .i am the only one who can make me stop drinking.i am court ordered to attend aa meetings .i have attended 15 meetings so far ,and at my last meeting made the mistake of telling them i feel good today and am early in recovery .from that moment on the topic or discussion was directed at me .thirty peaple spoke to me in a very negitive way .a member of the meeting who i felt was going to be my sponsor came up to me to shake my hand .i looked at him and said you know what i really feel like a piece a crap now ,thanks.all the guys who smiled outside the doors of the chucrh and wanted to shake my hand and welcome me only to throw me under the buss.this will never happen again .i will attend the required meetings for the law.but if this is how it works ,i will share with god as i understand him .i have lost all faith and trust in them .if i ever had a bigger trigger as they call it to drink it was at this meeting ,they dont make me want to get well ,they make me sick .nuff said DAVID B.
Yes that is exactly ‘how it works’ and thank you for that explanation. But now you know so take it easy and don’t let the turkeys get you down and maybe even have a little fun next time and make up a drinking story like the rest of them.
http://addictionmyth.com/lie-like-the-wind/
If you read the AA Big Book, it says nothing about praying to a lightbulb! It says that, at first, the group can be your Higher Power, but in “We Agnostics” it clearly discusses how that spiritual connection must grow and ultimately become a connection with God.
Right and the group tells you to pray to a doorknob or a lightbulb if you don’t want to pray to God. Sounds a bit satanic to me to be honest.
For profit? Get your facts straight. AA saved my life and asks nothing in return. My choice. My higher power. My recovery. My responsibility.
Unbelievable. You have no idea what a cult is. Look it up dumbshit
Cult: An organization that instructs its members that they are ‘happy joyous and free’ and anyone who challenges this sacred doctrine is ignorant and needs to get educated (aka ‘dumbshit’).
You don’t know any recovered alcoholic ?
Are you just attempting to cause others to dislike you ?
And why AA . . .why not Scientology or Budhism or Judaism?
You must be enjoying the attention. . .and like to make others squirm ?
I know many recovered alcoholics. I’ve made many good friends from my work. I don’t know much about Scientology other than what I’ve seen on South Park. I studied Budhism and enjoy it but criticize it as I see fit. Same for Judaism. Good luck and I’ll pray for you and hope you find the answers you are looking for.
lol!
you should work the 12 steps and get the flaws in your character fixed I’m speaking to you with the 185 IQ a college education in physicsand obviously you still are sitting underneath your rock
AA is for saving your Ass not your soul,I now have the peace in my life only a drink use to bring,the racket is my head has slowed,obviously you are on the I-5 at rush hour,out of gas,flat tire,in the hammer lane.you remind me of a guy at an auto parts store that tried to do a holly roller witness in public to me,and got upset when I told him I was there for parts.
AA works period.
I have been in and out of aa for14 yrs. I thought i could drink like a lady… I thought i could have a little bit of this drug or a little bit of that drug or / and alcohol and just put it down and not think about it!….bull Shit! I’ve tried & tried & tried! A. A.has helped me to understand that one is two many for me, & a 1000 Will never be enough for me! So I now go to A.A.every day. And if you want to stay sober and / or clean this can work for you too. I am sick and tired of being sick and tired!!! Are you? Coming from saint Louis mo. North county. Member of the . Olive branch.
So AA helped you recognize your fading appeal as a drunkard. And it only took 14 years. Will wonders never cease.
I lost a close friend to AA. Her life became AA. It was like a cult. Suddenly someone I had stood by for years while she was dealing with her boyfriend drinking, became cold and distant in the name of detachment. I was dropped like a hot potato, as she became absorbed like a zombie into this group think. No room for thought or opinions. The AA world can isolate people from previous friends, and it is not pretty.
Great. Spoken, or written like a true believer. I am wide open to happily receive relapased persons back, like the Prodigal. A loving God is the explanation for He certainly loves all of us and is sad when we are misarable and is ready and waiting for us with a “Welcome home pilgrim!” God bless you and keep you sober and in His care.
As a believer in God I accept God as my higher power because a doorknob, chair, tree, etc did not have the power to relieve my alcoholish. I actually have power OVER the above mentioned. The program for some is their higher power. That seems to work for them because, hmm, they are founded on SPIRITUAL PRINCIPALS and following them is like “next door” at least to believing in a spiritual Power. The key here as I believe is faith. A high ranking Roman Soldier once met with Jesus Christ and asked Him to “speak the word and my servant will be healed!” Jesus turned to the crowd and declared “I have not seen such great faith, no not in Israel!” With that the man returned to home and learned that when he asked Jesus in behalf of his servant that at that time his servant began to recover. The belief of the Roman of course was entirely pagan to the Jewish belief but because of his FAITH the miracle happened!
It is also written that “God sends the rain on the just and unjust alike.” This reflects the AA second tradition: “For our group purpose there is one Ultimate Authority, a loving God as He may express Himself in our group conscience. God could and would keep those sober who truly seek Him!
Yo there Myth-buster, your a dumb ass. Perhaps you could recommend a program that works better than A. A.?
If your agenda was to help people surly you would offer a better solution instead of just bull shit.
It is the ONLY program with a proven track record of success. Not all groups are perfect which makes them no different than any other organization but there is a perfect group for everyone.
It is clearly stated at every meeting, take what you can use and leave the rest.
So in conclusion, shut your pie hole. You’re a blight on humanity.
Alcoholics Anonymous told me that they are God. G.O.D. is an acronym that stands for Group Of Drunks. “You may, if you wish, use AA as your higher power”.
You do have a grand “poobah”. AA, alanon, and hamsters worship alcohol as an all powerful entity people are powerless to resist. Individual responsibility and strength are quashed, and only members of the group can help guide. More participation is the only answer. I was in a cult once…these groups use exactly the same tactics. So subtle you hardly notice that you traded the booze (or some of if you are a hammy) for group think and meeting addiction. If you think you were helped by these groups, you are wrong. YOU helped yourself. You wanted to change and your self determination and strength made it happen. Dont give them all the credit.