You learned that your defective, obsessive, and diseased mind is bent on its own destruction: that is simply the nature of alcoholism, your newly diagnosed affliction. Ruin is inevitable.
They exploited the desires, fears and sins you revealed during “Step Work” to exact obedience and stifle doubt.
Then they sent you out into the world to proselytize for them: to convince others they are similarly defective and obsessed even if they don’t realize it, insisting that their claim to drink just because they want to is a lie, even as you deny trying to convince anyone they are alcoholic. And you do it, because it’s an essential part of the only known cure.
Now they sit back and laugh, waiting for you to self-destruct because one day you you wake up in a good mood and forget to beseech your Higher Power for protection from your own mind’s lethal obsessions and at the end of the day when you suddenly remember and reach for the phone to call your sponsor, it’s too late because the combination of vodka you picked up on the way home to commemorate a successful day (an old habit you assumed was long since broken), and a nearly full prescription of vicodin left over from a previous surgery (whose longevity you and your sponsor recently agreed was sure proof of progress even while you wondered why she didn’t demand that you flush it immediately), has already shut down the nerve signalling pathways controlling the muscles in your extremities, thereby rendering a maligned and abused but normal brain truly and hopelessly powerless, for the first time ever.
That’s the most common modus operandi of Alcoholics Anonymous, the brainwashing cult of powerlessness that doubles as a drinking club (oh you thought AA was a treatment for alcoholism? Gotcha haha!), and it happens many times every day in this country. They thirst for your blood because it makes them stronger; your expiration increments the obscene statistic that stands as this year’s testament to the fearsome power of the same affliction that now threatens the life of tonight’s featured speaker even as he stands here before us: a humble Christian, and at one time not so long ago another certain victim of the disease, were it not for his discovery of a simple but powerful program, which worked when nothing else did, and which not only rescued his poor and admittedly imperfect soul from certain death but offered it abundant life; the initiation of which requiring only a willingness to admit the power of an undeniably deadly disease; and for its maintenance his continuous vigilance lest it return. The disease withered as he advanced in the program in which he learned to exercise rigorous honesty in all his affairs; and finally the infernal malady receded, though it left behind in its wake a shameful trail of sin, which he regrets and for which he has made amends, as our program requires. He then proceeds to recount the harrowing details. We listen and much to our surprise he is laughing and we are laughing! The recovery from our condition has strengthened us and made us resilient, and we are able to find humor in the midst of the suffering and hardship it created for us and the ones we care about most. Indeed, we are not a glum lot.
You chuckle along with the group at the stories of mischief, unaware of the high cost the cult has incurred for them, or that this obligation can be satisfied only by the blood of its members. Who will die for this man’s sins? That question never occurs to you. For now you are focused on your recovery, while you relish the warm welcome of the fellowship. Their eager hugs and knowing smiles suggest a genuine appreciation of your suffering, even if the repeated demands for ‘rigorous honesty’ about past mistakes left you demoralized. They say you’re making progress.
You recommit yourself to the Steps as our speaker advised and wait your turn for the promised miracle, wondering if you really have admitted utter powerlessness to your disease as he did, and trying to remember what he even said about that.
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The Real Alcoholics of AA pour their drinks and take their seats, laughing about their new disciples. Who will be first to attain true knowledge? The bets are placed and the curtain is lifted. The demons settle in to watch an eloquent apostle of our “cunning and baffling” condition start her day in a good mood and conclude it in silent vindication. The curtain falls and the room erupts in raucous cheers: the old prank remains as young as the blood that affords it. The winner of the pool soaks in the accolades and starts to plan her merry escapade, which will only wax more lurid in its retelling. Brew sloshes and spills from a goblet raised jubilantly in its own honor.
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My advice is to get out now and don’t look back. Maybe stop by your local church on the way home and see if they have any openings for service work.
And for gosh sakes, don’t mix alcohol and drugs!
AddictionMyth gratefully acknowledges the contribution of Dr. Drew Pinsky for this article.
Read more:
- Powerlessness as Religion – Only the good die young
- The Problem of the Jews: a Lesson in Brainwashing Propaganda – How AA bamboozled a country
- The Drinking Club – Watch what they do, not what they say
- Cory Monteith: The Cult of Powerlessness Claims Another Victim – Fresh from a role as a drug addict
- AA is a Pagan Cult – You got a problem with that?
- School for Scoundrels – What you actually learn in the rooms
- The Little Psychopath Could: How the Addiction Myth creates new Drug Addicts
- Addict Science – A rising Tower of Babel
I am open minded about your opinion. I can only speak for my own experience and observations
I was a drunk and tried hard to stop drinking but I couldn’t. Then I went to AA and on April 2nd will have 31 years without a drink. I have seen many frie dd recover the same way. I used to go to meetings and knew a lot of people at them very well. I don’t recall even one instance where someone drank alcohol between going to meetings and claimed to be sober except for newcomer s. There are lots of ways to overcome alcoholism. AA is just one of them. Your hatred of AA surely is due to your own negative emotions and not the shortcomings of AA or any other recovery modality.
Amen my brother!!! Amen!!
AddictionMyth,
You did a pretty good job of making your point but you left everything wide open. What do you propose as a better solution than AA?
regards,
Solution to what? There is no problem. Alcoholism is a big lie.
See my article: http://addictionmyth.com/the-problem-of-the-jews-and-other-brainwashing-techniques/
Ok… I bite.
The guy that has had four DWI offenses and goes away for life because he can’t say no to the 3rd and later drinks. Does he only imagine that he’s not too inebriated to cut himself off? Nah, this guys not an alcoholic (they don’t exist remember?) … He ran over your 5 year old daughter because he only drank a little too much and got carried away.
The woman that only on occasion, twice a week, whom you are married to, forgets to pick up your kids after school because she is passed out, naked on the couch with the front door open. Oh yeah… and you get a call from the vice-principal the week before because your “falsely accused as an alcoholic” wife packed a can of cat food and a beer in a school lunch bag.. again.
What does it hurt? They don’t ask but $2 to support a single attendance at a meeting. A true cult like would be asking you to turn over your property to them. I’d really like to see to attack Scientology. They are a better case for you.
Here you are fighting the government. What’s 1st thing legal doers do when someone appears to court on a DUI case. 90 meetings. 90 days. The courts must see it as a good thing?
I’ll leave you with this for fun. A drunk guy at the bar (not an alcoholic) throws back so much that the pukes all over his own jacket. Worried about what he is going to tell his wife, the barkeep tells him, “Do this. Put a $10 bill in your pocket and when you get home tell your wife that this drunk guy puked all over you and gave you $10 to take care of the cleaning”. Awesome! So the guy has a plan and goes back to drinking. When he gets home his wife is going through his pockets an pulls out a $20 bill and asks “Wait, you said the guy gave you a $10 to clean your jacket!?!?!?”. The drunk guy responds “Oh yeah forgot to tell you… He shit my pants too”.
STB
Lies and propaganda. When will it end?
Need proof? Post your drunkalog and see for yourself. Oh, you’re suddenly not actually a member of AA? OK I see.
There are no members…. if you are going to bash something, at least research it first.
I have read the article and all the comments I have been through several years of trying to get sober and stay sober. I know it is really up to me to make the right choices and the wrong ones. I have struggled for about 18 months now with AA I have a good sponsor. Devoted Christian whom I love very much and respect. With that said he gives all credit to God and none to himself that I can see? I am agnostic as well and feel as if the whole HP or God thing is a very hard thing to crasp and believe in! I am currently looking for alternative methods and many of the points made are valid for and against. I enjoyed reading the blog and all of the comments. If and when that I feel I can call myself recoverd from alcoholism I will not give AA the credit or the HP due to the fact with the powerlessness aside we all have some control over choices we make. I go to meetings most of the time I do enjoy them. I have read the book and a lot if it made sense. However I find that many people who have a addictive personality can and will find something to replace it with. I am rather open to both sides of the story, and yes it may work for some and for others not so much. My honest belief with all BS aside the twelve steps teach people who are struggling in life how to be a better person and practice this in a heartfelt manner from inside each individual who may need some guidance? I am not about preaching it, I am not all about AA and intend to make good solid choices daily with help from what I have learned. I feel bad for people who get so involved that AA or whatever addiction you may have may become overwhelming. I say it is like most thinks in life put into it what you want to get out if it.
First of all you can drink, and secondly you don’t have to believe in god. Finally, if you want to be a better person then be a better person. Why do you make it so difficult?
If you want to stay with AA then just lie and say and you are powerless and choose an HP and say you believe in it. That’s what everyone else does. The best part is you can still ‘relapse’ whenever you feel the need to sleep with a fat chick (or old guy or whatever your ‘sin of choice’ may be).
AA doesn’t say it has to be God. Only acknowledge something greater than ourselves… may that be God. Please do your research before ….
Eric,
No, the steps may seem harmless at first. But they break you. They strip you down and rebuild you into a terrifer, depressed drone who’s life of drinking was better than life of “recovery.”
Mythman is right, all this brainwashing bullshit has finally gotten funny. You people have finally discovered the proper conversation to have on fuckboys wall. Who gives a shit about his sophomoric attempt at mental masterbation, just thank him for a place to squirt inflammatory loads of word sperm into cyberspace!
When Jesus was a teenager did he have wet dreams?
Hell yeah, just cause his mom was a virgin don’t mean JC didn’t birdsong bitches and bang beaver when he was coming up! He also drunk the shit outta some wine, and not no Boones Farm or StrwberryHill either!
We in AA will pray to our earth spirits and wood elves and to Luke Skywalker and Bacchus, and Hades and Yaway and the like for you to be forgiven for such blasphemies! May each of our pantheon of non-monistic higher powers forgive you!
He talks about drinking a lot, hope he doesn’t have whiskey dick.
Leave myth buster alone! I think he makes perfect sense, and he probably has a HUGE COCK! I’m gonna get drunk and let him fuck me!
Ample. And no need to get drunk. I’ll be gentle I promise.
Anyway, surprising there aren’t more like you. Don’t feel bad, no one else could have done any better.
I feel as if we have explored the boundaries of human experience (and demonstrated the limits of Stoicism). Thank you for joining me on that journey! Will soon be time to report back what we’ve discovered.
Wow, dude…your paranoia on display again. This comment wasn’t from your old Stoic pal. Seriously, getting back on your medications would be a great idea.
Sure, whatever….
Or, back on your meds: Sure, whenever!!
AddictionMyth, Pastor Ted Haggard, and myself used to have meth fueled sexual intercourse. Don’t let him fool you into believing that he’s anti-drugs. We did things together that would make you AA demon cultists blush. Talk about powerlessness!; )
AddictionMyth thinks AA stands for aggravated anus, which is what he learned under Father Murphy’s spawn-sore-ship!
Use some of E Z Wider’s petroleum jelly in a tube and avoid the aggravated-anal problems, you know…???
AddictionMyth and I were both alter boys at Father Murphy’s church! He cums by it honestly!!! Hardy-Har-Har-Har!!!
Please remember that booze makes you more hilarious only to yourself.
Your probably right. My drunken stupor has me simply giggling like a school girl when I read your profound “incites” you adorn your porn portal with.
AddictionMyth, wow dude I didn’t think we would meet again! Remember me? I was the guy on the other side of the glory hole in the Jack Daniels Distillery bathroom! You were so aggressive that you gave me a slight friction burn! But, I would let you do it again in New York minute!
Yes I remember. Sorry for the burn! I was calloused from doing almost the whole AA gang that night. Well thanks for the roses and I adore you too, but please remember to stay on your side of the stall. 🙂
Hey, I’m sorry but I wasn’t completely upfront in the heat of the anonymous amours but you might want to go down to the clinic and get some labs drawn… Just sayn…
Next time try KY or AstroGlide, or petroleum jelly at least. They have in in those lip balm tubes and you can carry it easily and apply it when the time is right!
AA works for a bit, but there’s more to life! They hand out their numbers and say, “Call if you don’t want to drink,”but NONE of them EVER answer. They’re cliquey and judgmental asses. I went to 14 meetings and realized it was just as much a waste of time as getting shitfaced. I just realized I needed to grow the fuck up. I have two councilors and two groups a week on top of work. I don’t have time for the “good ‘ol timers.” Give me a break! AA is full of perverted old men and not to mention, AA has a ton of fat women in it too!!! What works for some may not work for others. Instead of going to AA, get a damn life and do something productive.
They don’t want you there because they’re scared you’ll take all their chubby booty!
Then they tell you to keep drinking and return when you’re truly desperate. But seriously, how desperate would you have to be to go for one of those girls? Thanks but no thanks.
Seriously, if you have to go to meetings, just do what I do: take notes and blog about it on your web site. Or mine. 🙂
The only chubby booty I want is yours addictionmyth 😉 :0
I’d rather not go to them anymore. Motherfuckers there get to nosy and personal. And if you don’t have a sponsor everyone nags you until you do get one. Not to mention all the sorry saps that come there just to whine. I personally think if a person wants to stop drinking, they will. I get creeped out by all the old men that always want to hug me. Wtf! I decided to see a councilor and have group classes to teach me better ways to cope.
Well then if you’re gonna do it anyway, at least remember that you’re not really powerless. You can say it but just remember it’s a lie. Might as well have fun with it and make shit up just like they do. It will be good practice if you decide to become one of the creepy old men some day. Or fat girl? Not sure which side you’re on.
Did you say hard hitting journalism?
That’s hilarious! Wait wait hard to breathe aah.
Okay I have one too I’m a Physics teacher and by the all the laws of physics and your previous replies to young girls you sir are a huge dickbag. That’s obvious journalism 101. What a child you are talking like that to women. Reply back about Satan or God or not a disease or whatever your little dick brain thinks.
Oh and what is your name or do you enjoy hiding and talking down to women?
Oh and good luck trying to take on the AA fellowship that outta be fun.
First of all I am saving women’s lives when they realize that they are more valuable to AA if dead. Stop trying to kill people to justify your ‘sins’. Secondly, don’t be offended by the truth. As a physics teacher, you should know that it’s not always obvious and sometimes counterintuitive. Finally, don’t deny that you’re a member of AA. Your offensive and immature insults are signature AA ‘peace and serenity’™.
I said good luck with taking on the AA community.
Who gives a flying pigeon turd if I’m in AA or not.
YOU DON’T LISTEN I said have respect when you talk to a woman.
She could’ve been a child dickbag.
You’re still a tool and I’m glad I offended you dickbag.
You still hide – can’t tell us who you are because you’re a dickbag.
You’d probably be one of the people who cheered at Bruno’s execution. And now you tout his theories to your students as perfectly obvious. Well get ready for another paradigm shift!
I have respect when I talk to anyone. UNLESS they disrespect me first. In which case, all bets are off.
You should follow the same simple rule. Of course, you’re used to making up the rules as you go along. I feel sorry for your students!
And why are you using such language around children? You are such a hypocrite!
Who am I? I am who I am. Who the hell are you? Let me guess: Creepy old man a little too eager with the hugs.
You can’t even say your name or why you feel the way they do. Who am I…Who are you – hilarious.
My students are awesome kids and they have respect. Don’t feel anything for them.
Do you even have kids? Or any morals?
You disrespected that girl. No matter what she said you should know better than to say anything back. She could be a kid.
Oh and make up the rules as I go? What are you talking about? What rules you weirdo.
I just know one rule is NOT to disrespect women. It’s one RULE of the universe that everyone follows except shit bags like you.
That last time a man disrespected a woman it was someone I knew very well that was murdered so I have ZERO tolerance for that behavior fuck bag!
My name is “Stop Killing People!” I feel the way I do because you need to stop killing people. You are such a hypocrite to demand my name and refuse your own. Again. Not surprised. Hypocrisy is vaunted at AA.
First of all the poster (I assume you’re referring to Shithowdy) is obviously an adult. Secondly, I did not disrespect her. Please provide evidence to the contrary. And by your logic I could never respond to anyone because anyone could be a child!
Wow you are such a liar and I hope you didn’t intend that as a threat. You seem very angry.
The rule is “respect children and women”. And yet here you are using foul language on a public web site that children and women may visit. In the same thread in which you say I disrespected a woman and she could be a child! Wow you are such a hypocrite!
You are a joke. A sad sad joke.
AA kills people? Are you serious?
So the guy who killed my friend was in AA?
No he was a psychopath you waste of space……
To any women I may have insulted I apologize. This anonymous blogger who loves Satan and says AA kills people lights me up. Go back to your basement and click away with your response. Oh and don’t forget to post your drunk response.
Tell me more about the guy who killed your ‘friend’. Let me guess he is still at large.
Seriously, you scare me.
He was sentenced. He didn’t care that he killed her. He said he felt like killing her so he did. What more do you want to know?
He was a psychopath just like I said. Why do you care?
I’m a father and I have kids and if they decided to be a part of AA I’d stand behind them because they are trying to better themselves. What is so wrong with that?
Scared? Of what? You said
that people are better off dead than in the program. I’m scared for people around you.
He was sentenced to what? Keeping a low profile and writing anonymous angry posts defending his precious drinking club?
No people are not better off dead. They are better off avoiding the program (and people like you) and staying alive.
He’s in jail for murdering one of my closet college friends you soulless freak.
Oh and your dad was right you are a waste of life.
Enjoy trying to drink the pain of those words and your truth away.
Are you the Long Island Serial Killer?
I’m not a fat chick nor a creepy dude. If you read my posts you would be able to figure it out… I’m on my side. At first I liked this forum, but it’s also filled w suck fucks. I now know not to take this bs serious. Wtf is w all the pervasive here???
Could not agree with you more. I was married 8 years to a very wonderful woman. She was an alcoholic and an extremely narcistic. Her drinking binges, which were frequent resulted in verbally abusing me and my family. I told her she needed to get her drinking under control and I promised to be at her side all the way. We went to several “dryout” clinics, but she was afraid to enter their programs because she is a nurse and felt it would cost her career, even though they said that would not be an issue as she could take a leave of absence. Well. she did not go for any of this, instead she had a “friend” who was in AA. What a mistake, I told her I supported her all the way and to go for it, I even went to a few al-anon meetings. I told her I could not go to any more meetings because I could not see a benefit, they were creepy with meeting obsessed junkies attending, going over the 12 steps every week, reciting the “prayer to drunken Bill” and some of the most ridiculous stories I have ever heard. I assured her I still supported her in her march to sobriety.
As she started going through the magical steps I could see a change in her, she was sober, by her narcissism was in full bloom. She read the Big Book every night and her daily “meditations”, I had to listen to her recite these every night. Her speech was now filled with the lingo of the stepper, I heard them all incessantly, I heard about her higher power, ( who I assume was really her old biddie sponsor).
Our sex life was gone, (evidently some step she interpreted), we talked only about the group and se preached to her kids and all she met. I told her people would not take to being preached to, but she knew she was right.
To make a long story short, her wise mentor and AA alumus psychologist, ured her to leave me, as I was the cause of her drinking. And one Saturday she came home and said she wanted a separation. I filed for divorce, and evidently, her mentors told her it would be a breeze to dump me. I took her for a boat load of cash.
In conclusion, there is nothing socially acceptable about AA, they may help with alcoholism for a while, but they encourage no treatment outside the cult.
Georgia may be an extreme case, but these are evangelical misfits, who have found a niche to spread the misery of their own lives.
Sadly, yes to all that.
I was like that woman. I can’t believe my husband stayed with me. Thank god, I mean the doorknob that is my higher power (yes, I’ve heard people say that), that I got out.
You can’t teach a pig to sing. Believe what you must. Stay away if necessary. AA saved my life, gave me back everything I’d lost (including my faith). Stay out of my sandbox and I’ll stay out of yours.
Sorry I don’t make deals with demons.
Just post your drunkalog. It will prove my point.
Can you speak in English and not in CULT speak?
AA Saved my life. Taught me how to be a responsible adult. There is NOTHING cult-like about it. I feel most “non-alcoholics” could benefit from a program like this!!
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First of all, childhood is not a disease, even if it lasts until middle age.
Secondly, AA is VERY cult-y. If you don’t believe me then just go to your local meeting and see for yourself.
Finally, this is a story about YOU. Wake up before it’s too late! You don’t need to become a statistic to justify some jerk’s mischief.
to the a a er in the sandbox . . thats not a sandbox youre in its a litter box how d ya miss all the shit it s full of ?
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Wow…look at the wonderful crowd you draw, AddictionMoron. This one sounds like she is high, illiterate and ignorant. Should fit right in with your ramblings.
Probably just her way of honoring her third parent. Speaking of which, have you had that talk with your daughter? You can’t keep pushing it off forever. Your parents tried, and look how well that turned out.
Blah, blah, blah. Be careful you don’t completely empty yourself of words, Moron, or the empty shell you are will just blow away.
Apparently you can’t argue the point, folks who come on here and agree with you generally sound like they share that extra chromosome you have. You really should have a chat with your Uncle/Daddy and Aunt/Mommy about your resentments on that topic.
Oh, as if you don’t have posts here from “Satan” congratulating your fine work as one of his offspring. I would be scared for myself if I was as much of a stranger to the truth as you seem to be.
Oh, and of course you had to delete it as spam, you nutless moron, so that people couldn’t see what quality company you keep. She one of the fat chicks your Dark Daddy Satan gave you for being one of his lowest?
I’m scared for you. Seriously.
It was literally spam, which anyone who runs a web site gets a ton of. It was something like this:
I blog often and I genuinely thank you for your content. This article has truly peaked my interest. I am going to take a note of your website and keep checking for new details about once per week. I opted in for your Feed as well.
Sure, whatever…
I have had troubles drinking and drugging in my life. I just started AA and I’m convinced, confused and curious all at once. I personally, so far, believe that my life is/has become unmanageable, but I’m not fully sold on the fact that anyone is powerless over anything. I grew up around extreme drinkers and think maybe my drinking is simply a learned behavior from that. Like I said, I am new at all of this and all I know right now is that I need to weigh things carefully before I jump into the powerless belief full force. If I’m going to believe that, then I’m assuming I have no faith in myself to make any choices in life, that everything that happens to me, I’m powerless over. I enjoy the AA meetings and on occasion have left a meeting feeling a little better, but there’s a nagging feeling that I’m not powerless, and I can simply just choose to be happy, joyous, and free if I put that positive foot forward. I’m a babe in the woods right now, so to speak. I just simply can not go one way or another until my intuition steers me on a clear path one way or another. I am an Agnostic, and I’m having a hard time getting past Step 2 without having a name for my Higher Power. Those who believe in God say ” Call your HP whatever it may be.”
Well, what if that’s a rock in my garden? Somehow that doesn’t make sense to me. My sponsor said if I’m on Step 2 for 10 years, then that’s where I need to be and that’s ok. But, if I’m told I need to finish all 12 Steps to remain sober, how can it be ok to be stuck on Step 2 for so long without me drinking?
People use AA as an excuse to keep drinking. As long as you attend meetings every once in a while you can make people think that you want to stop, and in actuality you can keep doing whatever you’re doing under cover of drunkenness. If your family really has a history of hard drinking then most likely your ‘sin of choice’ is philandering. So if you are still enjoying waking up with a hangover next to plus-size girls, then by all means keep drinking and stop in to AA and struggle to declare your powerlessness because otherwise you have only yourself to blame for your high fat diet. Also remember not to use protection so that you can create a new generation of ‘alcoholics’ – people who will grow up to worship alcohol as their ‘third parent’ just like you do.
Then in middle age when even the fat chicks scatter, you can return to AA and realize that you really were powerless all along (you don’t really have to believe it, most don’t, you just have to say it). Complete the steps with new-found gusto, make up a story of how alcohol killed your father and almost killed you (BB has lots of examples), reunite with the children you had to abandon because of your disease (remember that not everyone believe in miracles, and to them we say: “Enjoy your gloom”), and then try to convince vulnerable people that they are powerless too, and maybe you can get a girl to sleep with you or a guy to kill himself using the brainwashing techniques outlined on this page. These activities get you extra points in the club. It’s great fun!
Don’t worry you’re exactly where you need to be for now. And if you’re a girl then definitely declare powerlessness and keep drinking at your mother and and ask some aging creeper who claims more years sober than you have drunk about what you need to do next.
That’s why you gotta keep coming back, because you don’t get it. Nobody in AA gives a shit if you keep drinking. Nobody is there trying to “suck your blood”. They just want to help and its an amazing, spiritual lifting program. Sounds like you could use a little of that in your life. Hating only breeds more hate, but love also breeds more love.
Oh I get it alright. If not, then how come I no longer get furious when the driver doesn’t wave ‘thanks’ when I let them go in front of me? How come I haven’t gotten a DUI in MONTHS (and that was only because my wife refused to pick me up from my girlfriend’s place)?? That my friend is the miracle of the program known as AA.
AA brought me peace and serenity that until recently I thought was available only to really old people. AA works for me and it’s the only thing that ever worked. Truly, truly a miracle for a guy with a nasty combination of: off-the-charts anger problem, an overweight wife, and a morbid compulsion to drink (which AA helped me realize and admit was actually a disease). AND I’m now a christain who prays to G.O.D and that’s the truth (despite a lifetime history of lying) and if you disagree then you are a hateful ignorant jerk who is incapable of being honest with himself and actually I’m scared for you.
This is a click-mill, and you are a psychotic moron.
Step 2 says nothing about naming or understanding your Higher Power, it simply says “came to believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity” don’t complicate it.
My opinion is that you need a new sponsor! Back in the day they took these steps in days sometimes hours,not years! Download Chris R from Ingram Tx,great step speaker! Take the steps don’t work them,read We Agnostics again!
You may never truly understand your Higher Power,it just says to come to believe it,he,she,they exists and can give you the “power” or “strength” to make good decisions and live a better life! Dr Bob’s prescription for recovery written in 1939….1 Trust God
2 Clean house
3 Help others
Simple…not easy!
God bless!
You are not powerless. That nagging feeling is the truth. They are so convincing because they say it so frequently and loudly, and with such conviction, but it’s a big lie.
Leave now. Live your life. I wish I’d realized the truth years ago. Now is the time that my MAJOR paradigm shift has finally come.
We have a program for people who hate alcoholics made just for you, its called alanon. : )~
ROTFL !!!!
“The Real Alcoholics of AA pour their drinks and take their seats, laughing about their new disciples. Who will be first to attain true knowledge? The bets are placed and the curtain is lifted. The demons settle in to watch an eloquent apostle of our ‘cunning and baffling’ condition start her day in a good mood and conclude it in silent vindication. ”
Fiction. Pure fiction.
Right on, Carol…the dude who writes this is a delusional sort who plays fast and loose with the truth. If he really had anything on the ball, he would offer a better alternative. Instead of just a bunch of lies, distortions and fabrications. In this case, it may be that the blogger is actually the troll.
Oh, that’s rich. I purposefully didn’t make such comparisons to you. They would have been apt. You claim an altruistic purpose here, saving people from the “evils of AA.” (Your words) Then you unravel the whole idea that you might be a worthy and useful person by telling outrageous, childish and insulting lies to make your point. That makes you the “ends justifies the means” type of person you so loudly bitch about.
Now as to the reason I don’t post my drunkalog…because I don’t have one. I live in the solution, not in the problem. That’s first. Second, I wouldn’t share my personal information with a narcissistic, lying, insulting jackal like you for all the tea in China.
Yes, I am insulting you. Why? Because your website proves who the trasher is for all to see. Anyone with half a wit can read your lies for what they are. That is why people come on here and talk to you as they do. Because you are a snotty little piece of garbage.
I won’t bother challenging you to come up with something positive. People like you are part of the problem, not part of the solution. The best thing any reasonable person can domis leave offal like you alone to stew in your own mess. Personally, I wouldn’t cross the street to piss in your mouth if your gums were on fire.
I feel like you don’t love me any more.
Fiction? That story is actually from the Big Book. It was removed by Bill just before going to press.
Why should anyone accept anything as true coming from you. Here are just a couple things you get totally wrong right off the bat:
1) You say AA is a “cure”, “therapy” and it is really self help.
2) You claim AA is pagan….it is simply non-denominational…………
Ahhh, to hell with this, trying to teach a pig to sing again here.
Fact is, you are just an idiot who has a blog. You went to some meetings, recreationally, apparently. You have said you don’t have a problem with drugs or alcohol. So, that is why you don’t understand the powerless thing. And why you then don’t see how admitting powerlessness “over” alcohol, then taking a few other simple steps, leads to a new empowerment over the problem.
If you weren’t such a childish and snotty little prevaricator, if you didn’t tell so many outrageous lies, if you could understand how the program works…which you cannot, as you haven’t worked it…maybe someone would show you some respect here. As it is, you are just a petty, mean spirited liar with an electronic bully pulpit.
Once again, I challenge you to do better. If you are so damned smart, come up with something better. Well…we are all waiting…Not going to happen, as people like you can only tear things down, not build them up. You are on the outside looking in…you will never be a part of anything good until you break down some of your walls.
Thank you for a thoughtful and insightful response. I greatly appreciate the less angry and insulting tone. Indeed I am an idiot with a blog, and I would not quibble on that point. (The domain name is available!)
I think that addiction is a lie for some and brainwashing for others, and therefore there is no treatment for it other than to stop lying or just wake up.
I think many people are attracted to AA due to sadness and loneliness, and then they get trapped. Well sadness and loneliness are age old problems with lots of solutions. Such as religion, and I can’t say I have any better ideas than going to your local church and seeing how you can get involved. But pretty much anything is better than AA.
Beyond that I feel I am just repeating myself. If you don’t understand me, well that’s fine, most people don’t either. You’re just one of the few to stoop to respond. And actually I am grateful for that! It’s time for me to pursue other approaches. In upcoming posts I will review AA brainwashing tactics and the ‘Craving Lie’.
And yes I am trying to dismantle AA. I think it causes far more harm than good, and we’d be better off without it. Though, if it just got rid of the first step, I would consider that acceptable.
Again, if you don’t believe me, just post your drunkalog and see for yourself. Or attend your local AA meeting. Same story every time.
So, still just tearing down, not building anything up. Which, if you pay attention, is the real point of what I am saying to you. Most people have a real intolerance for the “trashers” in our society. If you want to show us your intrinsic worth, build something better. Well……still waiting…
And, the fact is, since you are not a “part of” the community, I don’t really care about your opinion as to addiction being either a lie or brainwashing. I am neither a liar, like you, or delusional. And I know for a fact that powerlessness for me related to the inability to control my drinking once I took the first drink on any given binge. Since you say you don’t have a problem with alcohol, that makes your opinion self invalidating. Go find something to blog about which are are expert on. This ain’t it…
That’s like the Nazi complaining, “OK so you don’t like our organization? Well then what is your solution to the problem of the Jews?” There is no solution because there is no problem. Addiction is completely fake, but millions of people are getting killed because of it. It’s a modern delusion. Yes, I am comparing AA to Nazis.
Again, if you would post your drunkalog (and how you knew your blackout was anything other than a nap) then this truth would be obvious. That’s OK I will summarize: I drank, I got drunk, I got high, I had sex/homosex/killed someone. Rinse repeat until middle age.
Or just go to your local meeting and see for yourself.
Well no wonder you won’t post it. Because it would show that you are the real trasher.
For real? Link?
I feel so sorry for who ever wrote this…
I know… Some real angry ignorant humans who don’t have a clue..
They know nothing about AA .. And only get their info from people who don’t truly understand it.. And are only taking their judgements out of context..
me too
I respect how u feel about aa bc ur entitled to it but I had a neighbor who’s thinking was right along with us and she was found dead from alcohol poisoning. AA isn’t for everyone there r some ppl who can quit with no problem. But some of us can’t. For me my drinking got me in trouble. I tried to quit many times by reading the Bible, going to church but it didn’t help. I went to aa and I’m still sober. I hate to hear about ppl dying from an overdose or alcohol poisoning. You can’t blame aa for her doing that was her choice. No one in aa told her to go do drugs she made that choice on her own. We all have choices to make in life ad with each choice there is always a consequence.
I apologize for the many mistyped words. Added comment from my phone
Awwww did you have a hard time in AA? I sowwy!
I think we should all pile on, and keep criticizing AddictionMoron. Point out his lies, inconsistencies and fabrications. Show how he just doesn’t understand anything about recovery because he is not an addict. Eventually, we should be able to reduce him to a blubbering state where he sits in his closet sucking his thumb and mumbling immature inanities like: “I know I am, but what are you?”
Come on guys, I know we can do it. His massive inferiority complex and weak-ass ego defenses are already beginning to show!!
Recovery (n. fem) – Buy me a car and pay my rent or I’ll get drunk and have sex and have a baby and YOU’LL have to raise it while I’m out partying.
Recovery (n. masc) – I’m getting too old for the hangovers and meaningless sex, which I always regret afterwards, so now I’ll insist that I have a disease that made me do it, and join a club where we all try to convince each other that we have the same disease, and show off our ‘peace and serenity’ to girls who are still extorting mommy for beer money, and periodically ‘relapse’ when they reject me anyway.
Stick the closet, Twink. You’re make much more sense when you are quietly sucking your thumb.
Sure, your argument will be appealing to some, and if it works for them, awesome!
The Steps are simple – it just takes honesty, open-mindedness, and willingness to take action. Don’t take my or “AddictionMyth’s” words for it – try it out in your own experience and see what the results are.
Different actions = different results. For many of us, a few simple actions around these steps have lead to profoundly better results. We see direct evidence of this daily. I certainly have in my own life.
Hence I find your arguments to simply be combative and non-evidentiary, and that the motivation for this site is primarily to generate commissions, not be of service to those who suffer.
Steps are fine. Except the first one. You are not required to admit powerlessness to alcohol. You do NOT need to die for this man’s sins.
Yes he’s ashamed of whatever behavior he engaged in while drunk. But he’ll survive.
So proud of you AddictionMyth, beautiful child of mine 😉
Thanks paps! I hear you’re now working under cover at Miami Dade Public Schools. Well good for you!
You must honor your parents, it’s true. But the 10 Commandments say nothing about the children. 😉
Thank goodnes we finally find out who the real demon is here. Working for your “Dark Daddy”, are you AddictionMasturbator?
Watch out, I hear tell he’s “tricksy,” and will probably only pay you with watered down booze, coke that’s been heavily stepped on, and fat, ugly chicks.
Honestly, this is just a click-mill, isn’t it? Otherwise, the stupidity of your fabrications, distortions and chosen positions strains credulity.
You are an ass!
I’d rather be an ass than a killer.
Sir,
You shouldnt talk about about some thing that has helped hundreds of thousands. If a girl overdosed its because she chose to use. And she probably wasnt thoroughly following a 12 step path. This isnt a cult because we dont tell people whay to do or how to think. We share our experience and tell you what worked for us. In fact, you come and go as you please. Theres no brainwashing involved. In fact, if you listen closely at the beginning of every meeting in “how it works” we read “…if you want what we have to offer and are willing to go to any lengths then you are ready to take certain steps” we dont say this is the only way to get sober but it has proven to be one of the most effective ways. You can read about how only 5% of people are a success in AA but thats not true at all. 100% of the people who truly do 100% of the work involved live happy, joyous and free lives. And if youre able to dabble with drugs and alcohol without driving your life into the ground then you might not be an addict or an alcoholic. That is also found in our readings. So dont hate on a successful fellowship due to your under educated opinions. You went to meetings, you didnt get a sponsor and work the 12 steps to the best of your ability. So how can you share an honest opinion about something you’ve never done? I dont tell people how good a restaurant is unless ive eatin there. So i wouldnt give a bad review about something that saves lives i didnt try it either. You know chemotherapy doesnt have a great success rate either but it still saves some lives. I dont hear anyone bashing that though. I suffer from a disease too. Alcoholism is a disease recognized by the american medical association now, and the cure for me was is working the twelve steps and helping other suffering alcoholics.
OK so addiction is a disease. But her overdose was a choice? Not sure I follow. Of course, I don’t expect a coherent answer. Logic and reason and other head-centric shenanigans are discouraged by AA.
And if you don’t thoroughly follow the 12 Step path then you will die. Now come and go as you please. (In fact, don’t bother showing up unless you’re truly desperate and willing to do anything.) Now what are you doing here?
Nah, no potential for culty brainwashing there.
Well at least you didn’t claim that AA ‘has helped millions’. Only hundreds of thousands. The correct answer is zero (and it actually killed millions), but you’re moving in the right direction.
In fact, 100% of the people who claimed AA worked for them are liars with a history of lying and if you don’t believe it then just post your drunkalog and see for yourself. It will start with “I was a born liar” 50% of the time (and “I was a master manipulator” the rest). Of course you won’t do that because you are a scaredy-cat pagan who is suddenly not actually a member. But that’s ok because anyone can go to their local AA meeting and see for themselves.
And “saved lives” just means that someone declared powerlessness to the group and hasn’t yet been asked to prove it. And “happy, joyous and free” is just AA-speak for a successful 13 Steppin. (Congrats, btw!)
(How do I know all this? Same way you know your stuff: because my HP told me so. And he’s smarter than all yall’s put together. Times a hundred to infinity!)
Well AA has helped millions and myself is one if those is me. Im not gonna get on here and call you names, becuse today I dont hurt people. After I overdosed unintenionally, I was willing to do anything to stay clean and turn my life around. I found AA and it saved my life because I am an addict. Addiction is real and it kills people .Im not sure where ugot any of your pure fiction at but you are so wrong. I feel you might fall in the catagory of “there are those to who sufer from grave emotional and mental disorders but they to do recover if they have the capacity to be honest with themselves”. I have never seen noone take a drink in an Aa mtg and neither have you. So like the other guy stated you did not do wat was suggested to you are you would have benifited from AA just like MILLIONS HAVE.. My Higher power is Jesus Christ. He is a mighty big God snd I would be glad to share him with you.. God Bless you sir, even though I didnt read one fact based statement in ur post!!!
Wow, dude, you have so topped yourself on the childish and infantile meter…wasn’t even me.
Seriously, get some help, you’re a psychopath. Classic…really. Look it up in any abnormal psych text…your mugshot will be there…
This last was addressed to AddictionMoron’s post above Mr Pardue’s.
BALONEY….Alcholism is an addiction, not a disease. It is a cult and the weak minded are dominated by those who assume the power. Most of the stories I heard were embellished or outright lies. I have seen and lived the cruelty that is AA. My ex, was a very bright woman, with an extremely low opinion of herself. Her life story is actually an inspiration, she was a high school dropout (9th grade) who went on to get a chemistry degree and then a nursing degree and a reasonable successful career. She was never comfortable in her own skin. I put her on a pedastel, she did not know how to react to this as her previous 2 husbands were abusive physical and verbally to her and her children.
She began drinking after the second divorce and, unfortunately, we met on line and , I was her dream guy. I was educated, also successful and from a good family. She was aggressive, rude and a mean drunk, but I loved her because of who I thought she was.
Her drinking got worse, I was regularly beaten down at the local Mexican restaurant in her margarita incited tiraids. I told her she needed to get her drinking under control. After vistiing several dry out places, she decided on AA. I gave her my whole hearted support, but, she became a pawn of her sponsor, who eventually convinced her that I was the cause of her drunkenness.
We divorced, her kids just about disowned her for her actions. SHe may not drink any more, but she is still the same rude narcist she always was. I hope that her “higher” power can forgive her and her sponsor and AA for the lives they destroy.
“And she probably wasnt thoroughly following a 12 step path. ”
This statement … I could write a book on this statement. BS.
thank you additionmyth, you are doing a wonderful job 😉
Sure! So is it really true you’re the most popular HP at AA? Or is it Burt Reynolds? (Lord knows it’s not the Lord.)
Once again your ignorance and lies are on full display and fly in the face of the truth. Most people I have met in AA are Christian.
So let’s see you come up with a better program. What….nothing?…Bueller?…….Bueller?
Didn’t think so. You infantile types can only attack and destroy, not build.
Seriously, get back on your meds and back to therapy. Then you might not have to visit your bleak internal landscape on others.
Dear addictionmyth,
Can u tell me about your experience with 12 step programs? Did you have a loved one that was constitutionally incapable of being honest that found true bottom? If so I want send love and prayers your way. I remain in the program because it works for me. To each there own. The ones that can’t and will not get it usually need outside help, fortunately this program encourages outside help eg; Doctors,Lawyers, Psychologists, Veterinarians, and any other proffesionals from any other field. Today I practiced principles in all of my affairs to the best of my ability.
Ciao-
Bagel dawg
P.S. The longest, hardest and best journey you can ever make is from your head to your heart.
I was introduced to AA by a friend who dabbled in it. Since then I have been to many meetings and generally enjoyed it. I don’t have any relatives who drank or drug excessively (as far as I know). A friend of a friend died of an overdose a few months ago. I didn’t know her personally. Yes I hold AA accountable for her death, as with most overdose deaths. The poor girl thought she was powerless and couldn’t stop herself. But this was well after I discovered that AA created alcoholism/addiction.
This is a story about YOU. I am concerned for you and I hope you wake up before it’s too late. Yes we are sin dogz. But you don’t have to die for us! We’ll get over it.
If she overdosed she should have gone to NA silly…no wonder that dumb dumb is dead…silly dumb dead girl…
You present an interesting case. Although I believe your guided by emotions, I didn’t see anywhere in your discussion, that in fact, you have any addiction. I did notice you are either a doctor or affiliated with one. In either case, what you are saying seems a bit confusing.
For instance, you blame aa for the overdose. Do you blame any church or religion for people when the sin? Or do you blame the preacher? Or maybe blame them for their own actions?
How can you say your friend was not powerless over her addiction when in fact she overdosed? If she wasn’t powerless, according to your thinking, she should have been able to stop without any further help. Also, you said she was your friend, although you didn’t know her. There seems to be something else going on with you.
It’s been my experience, that people who speak out against organizations like aa, tend to have a couple of commonalities.
They have tried everything to help someone they love that is addicted, and have “failed”. They have an addiction and don’t really want to stop drinking or using themselves. They may have mental health issues on top of addiction that interferes with their recovery.
Granted, there are people in aa who do not recover. There are also many people who do.
If you read Jack Alexander’s article in the Saturday Evening Post, you might get a better understanding of why aa works when all else failed.
I’ve attached the url for you benefit.
http://www.barefootsworld.net/aajalexpost1941.html
Also, read Dr Carl Jung’s opinion. He was afterall, a well known psychiatrist in his day. I’ve attached a letter from him to one of the co-founders of aa. You might notice, he was a very spiritual individual as well as a doctor.
http://www.barefootsworld.net/jungletter.html
I wish you well in your adventures in life.
Thank you for your comments. I dabble in various drugs, as described in a previous blog post (My So-Called Addiction). I said she was a friend of a friend. I did not say she was a friend.
I blame AA for the overdose because I think she was brainwashed. Of course it’s impossible to say in any given case. For example, perhaps she just wanted to kill herself, or perhaps it was a pure accident (14 drugs appeared on the toxicology report). But overall the numbers show that people who experienced AA have a higher suicide rate. I believe it’s causal, not simply a correlation. I respect your difference of opinion.
It’s fine to blame the preacher or the church for the sin. Or blame the sinner. That’s fine too. But it’s not fine to blame it on alcohol. That’s my point. Is drinking a sin? Of course not. Except maybe if you’re muslim.
Imagine there was a gun club in which the members were required to claim that they were powerless to their guns. And then suppose that this club had a higher accident rate than other similar clubs. Well I think it would not be unreasonable to hypothesize that the powerlessness requirement caused the increased accident rate. I hope you would agree at least that my hypothesis about AA is legitimate, even if you disagree with my findings.
Anyway, I’m sure I have many diagnosable mental health issues. That’s partly how I know addiction is fake too. Yes I am guided by emotions. You got me on that. I am guided by reason and science as well. However, I’ve discovered that AA members have little interest in science other than cherry picking the studies that don’t discredit them. So I don’t think the discussion profits much from a purely scientific approach.
Sorry I don’t give much weight to 1940’s propaganda. AA is still fighting and winning that battle today, and you are not alone if you believe it. The point of my web site is to show it for what it really is: guys who ‘sin’ (ie. have sex or attempt it, or really any form of mischief) and then feel guilty or ashamed and blame the alcohol. And then convince innocent people to kill themselves to prove it. If you don’t believe me, just go to any AA meeting anywhere in the world and see for yourself. An aging man reports unsatisfactory coitus after another 3-day booze/crack fest. And decides he must stop then and there. (As if he had a better option.) A younger woman reminds everyone that she must remain eternally vigilant against her cravings lest they return, always mentioning some aggravating dynamic with her mother (who is of course the object of the addiction). A young man describes the mayhem that ensued from his last sexcapade, and vows that he is more interested in ‘peace and serenity’ than ‘mischief and debauchery’. (Yes there are lots of variations on these themes.)
Perhaps Dr Jung didn’t notice that. Probably too obvious for his tastes. But yes he’s right that it’s a spiritual/religious problem. As I claim repeatedly, alcoholism is a religion. But it is not a disease. That’s my main point. Seems Jung agrees: Spiritus contra spiritum.
Well you can remain in the 40’s if you want. These days detox is universally reported as being very comfortable. So it’s really not an issue. Men drink because it’s fun, or at least drink in the hope that this time it will be (i.e. they will finally find ‘the one’). The ones who claim that they couldn’t stop no matter how hard they tried are usually liars with a history of lying/sociopathy that precedes their drinking. I believe this is causal. If you prefer to believe this is simply a coincidence, then you are entitled your opinion. But then kindly step aside so I can make my case.
And if you claim to be an addict yourself then I declare right here and now that you sir are a liar and challenge you to post your drunkalog. I’m sorry if that sounds angry or mean. That is not my intention. Only to challenge you to satisfy your own curiosity, and to stop killing people to justify your ‘sins’. Of course, you will run away as everyone else does. (Unless you’re not an addict, in which case you really can’t offer much insight into the subjective experience of addiction, and thus by your own logic have no basis on which to discredit my opinions.)
Thank you for the civil response and kind wishes. Of course, I wish you well in your journey too.
“Journey from your head to your heart” – brainwashing technique to get people to turn off their critical thinking
“constitutionally incapable of being honest” – brainwashing technique to get people to admit their defects and sins – to be used against them for the cult’s purposes
You are so brainwashed you sound like a robot. It would be funny if it wasn’t likely to kill you!
Oh, AddictionMoron, you are so silly. You are sophist of great distinction. There is nothing you can’t throw words at and just make yourself better. Unfortunately, what this really means is that your self-delusional bullshit and lies in this blog will probably adversely affect others. What you really ought to “discover” is that you are full of yourself and totally convinced that you are right about everything. Grow up, get a life and move along. Conversely, you could take your allegedly massive intellect and come up with a better way to help others…come on, let’s hear it…what, nothin’ to say for yourself? That is because you are really a puling pissant who can only break things down, not build them up. That’s obvious to just about everyone else who comes on here, why not you? Take a look in the mirror, why don’t you?
Go on with your snappy comebacks!! Just understand you are impressing nobody but yourself.
Thank you for another impressive display of AA Love and Serenity ™.
And thank you for pointing out my character defects. God please forgive me for believing in myself. 🙂
Seriously. Just post your drunkalog. The one you recite at your meetings. Tell us what happened during those ‘blackouts’ that started as just one drink on a quiet evening at home (and how exactly you knew it wasn’t just a nap). Your story will destroy your credibility and demonstrate all my points. Including that you try to brainwash people in exactly the way that you now dismiss as sophistry.
Sorry I’m not a ‘community organizer’ for real-life demons. I’m just trying to expose them.
Who even said I was in AA, Moron? You make so many unfounded assumptions. Just know a prevaricator and a liar when I see one. Don’t think telling a weasel like you off is a bad thing. So, what about it? Can you do better than others who have at least tried, or are you just a critic? Think if you can’t offer something positive to the debate you should go back to sucking your thumb in the closet.
Wow you are like rats jumping off a sinking ship. I hope you can swim!
As far as being polite to you goes. Been there, done that. Tried for a while to engage you in reasonable and reasoned discussion. You cannot match argument with argument. Your blog is full of lies, distortions and fake stories. I suspect most of your your supporters are just aliases. You haven’t sufficient evidence to go against the tide of evidence about addiction and recovery. Yet you continue with your senseless and delusional tirades. So, no respect for you, because you deserve none. If you want some, earn it by telling the truth, finding some evidence to support your positions and stopping with all your childishly inane made-up stories. If you can’t do that, you are going to have to expect people will want to come on here and rip you the new one you so richly deserve.
I answered all your questions. You just didn’t like the answers. Well sorry to see you go, but you’ve said that many times before. And then you’re right back here with your big words and farmyard insults, spewing tired, angry AA dogma, only to get your ass handed to you one more time. Well maybe it’s time for you to admit: you are powerless to AddictionMyth!
“But overall the numbers show that people who experienced AA have a higher suicide rate. I believe it’s causal, not simply a correlation. I respect your difference of opinion.”
I believe it’s causal too. I was dangerously close to being included in that number. Thank you for this website. I hope it opens some eyes.
Listen, the asshole who writes this blog is his own built-in troll. He went to AA meetings primarily to stir up trouble. He couldn’t get the program so it is obviously BS. Don’t try to have rational discourse with him. That would be like trying to smell the number 9. He’s had a resentment since childhood because he got his ass handed to him so many times on the playground for running his smart mouth. I wish his dick would never get sore, that way he would never have to take a break from sitting in the closet playing with his pathetic little pecker to write this moronic blog.
Wow I see you already started on my book: “AA Secret Guide to being a total douche bag”. p 37: “Now that you have identified and corrected all the defects in your thinking under the guidance of your chosen HP, you can feel confident that you are always right. If a normie has the audacity to disagree with you on any matter whatsoever, first remind them that you have been to countless meetings and it is obvious that they are demonstrating the pride of someone who believes that they are their own HP. If that doesn’t shut them up, dismiss them as a compulsive wanker with a small penis. That’s easy: just recount your evening and replace ‘I’ with ‘you’. Finally, if they persist, accuse them of killing innocent people with their evil words. Remember, comparisons to Hitler are not outside the purview of the total AA douche bag.”
Congratulations you are well on your way to becoming a complete douche bag! And let no one say I do nothing to help the alcoholic who is still suffering!
Glad to see you wrote a book about being a douchebag AddictionMoron. It is the one thing youre ARE an expert on. The rest of your blog ought to help your garden grow.
What a charming, empathic, and original comment!
This totally popped up not where I intended
Not sure where you wanted it to appear, but the indentation indicates it’s a response to Bagel Dawg’s original comment. Well, I’m not sure if you were being sarcastic, because Bagel Dawg is saying that the girl died because of her dishonesty. Well first of all, if addiction is a disease, then it’s strange that overdose death is caused by a moral failing. I mean, please decide which it is. Secondly that doesn’t seem like a very charming thing to say. Of course, maybe that’s just your way of 13 steppin. In which case, I’ll get out of your way….
When you say they want my “blood to make them stronger” do you mean the 14 dollars that is in the basket after we all put a buck in? Cause that makes perfect sense. You are a very smart man and have this whole thing figured out. You are helping so many people and should be so proud of your life’s work. It is in no way a waste of time and you are a very useful person. Your writing is very important and your views need to be published where thousands of people can read them. I can hardly wait to read your next post as I’m sure the rest of the world is. It is in no way a sad little blog that is so unimportant it will never effect anything ever. It is important that you continue to educate all of us idiots because you sir are very special. Now that said…you are a complete joke
Actually lots of people are interested in the question of whether AA is a cult. They suspect it but aren’t quite sure why. Well that is the point of my blog, to answer that question. Absolutely: it’s a brainwashing religious cult of powerlessness/drinking club.
I’m sorry you don’t find it interesting (or don’t like the answer). But I find it endlessly fascinating! And I can’t help but share it. All I can say is, take what you like and leave the rest.
And have a drink. It will help you relax. And it’s good for the heart.
How does aa benefit if I die. Is there a secret bet going on in a back room somewhere? I don’t feel brainwashed and if I am it’s keeping me sober and happy so why try to take that from me. Let me be a brainwashed happy sober person. Why do you care so much anyways? It’s such a weird thing you’ve picked to” help” society..keeping people from aa. In your head I’m sure there is a day when we all say thank you to you for being the first real smart one among us and figuring out the secret, but I promise that day is never coming so I’d switch to soup kitchens or something if you want to help the world.
The answer to all your questions would be obvious from your drunkalog, which you merrily recite at your meetings, but you’d never post it here, because you know it would immediately discredit your claims and prove all my points one right after another.
Is it a bit “culty” at times sure. But for an alcoholic, admitting that they are powerless over alcohol is a very real thing. If they had control they wouldn’t be there. What would you suggest to an alcoholic that feels powerless over alcohol and wants to stop. You’ve found the problem with aa…what’s the real answer then?
OK since you won’t post it, allow me to summarize: “I drank, i got drunk, I got high, I had sex. And yet somehow I felt empty inside.” Rinse, repeat until middle age.
“Then I went to a meeting and declared my powerlessness to alcohol.”
And if that’s not your story, then it’s the story of every meeting I’ve ever been to. If you don’t believe me, just go to your local AA and see for yourself.
The solution is simply to stay away from AA. And that’s been proven scientifically: AA doesn’t reduce drinking and actually increases it among young people.
And if you’re seeking the cure for unsatisfying sex, well I have the answer to that too. It’s in my downloadable book “The Secret AA Guide to being a total douche bag”. Just send $79 check/paypal/money order…..
AHHHHH i just read the part about your concearn for people who got brainwashed and later died…Maybe mom or dad went to aa and then died? A brother or friend? thats gotta be it
Why talk to this moron, all of you? Here’s how it goes:
Reasonable Question?
AddictionMoron: Lie, babble, fabricate, mumble, bitch, lie some more…
Honest Question?
AddictionMoron: prevaricate, moan, lie, blah blah blah tapdance bullshit spew venom cause trouble…ad infinitum.
The fact is, he is a little tiny peckerwood who has nothing positive to offer. He can only break things, not build. Don’t even bother trying to engage this pitiful, hateful jackass on any positive or honest level.
Run away from aa and to what alternative?
You are like a skinny kid at fat camp eating candy in the corner saying “this is such bullshit” why do you care? Are you an alcoholic? If you’re not then how can you understand even a little of what it’s like. If you are then what was your secret if not aa and why don’t you share it instead of just whining that aa is bad. I really don’t see what your mission is here other than self indulgent nonsense.
The solution to what? Douche-baggery? Sorry but there is no cure. It’s a terminal condition. However, palliative care is offered at your local AA meeting. Just claim that you were powerless to alcohol (this is a euphemism for ‘unsatisfactory coitus’) and try to convince the girls who show up following revenge drinking and drugging against mommy for insufficient love, and now have moved on to the bad boy stage, that they too are powerless (and going to die, otherwise why would they be there?), and the only cure is to recount their sins with ‘rigorous honesty’. Stories of sex — it’s the next best thing. Maybe you can convince some of them to prove they really are powerless. The possibilities are endless — just let your ‘high functioning alcoholic’ mind do its thing and don’t forget to beseech your HP for inspiration!
[Note: closet homos should attend “Men’s Stag” meetings.]
Please oh please post your drunkalog. And the name of your HP. The answer to all your questions is within you, oh curious one.
Yeah I heard you the first few times…you keep saying the same thing….I get it..aa is evil. Im asking you what is your alternative suggestion for aa treatment. Where should we go if not aa? What happened at the aa meetings you attended? Surely your whole jaded angry views stemmed from something.
It sounds like you either got embarrassed at an aa meeting or maybe someone you care about went to one and met someone and left you? Im sure the answer is as simple as that…Youve mentioned unsatisfied sex a few times so your anger must be seeded in some sexual experience gone amuck.
Just post your drunkalog! The answer will be obvious. There is no such thing as powerlessness to alcohol. If you claim to be powerless then you are lying, and again this will be quite evident from your story (no wonder you won’t post it).
Some people are brainwashed into it, but that is not your case.
Where to go? The local bar or local church. Or just stay home. I don’t really care. Just stop brainwashing other people into powerlessness to justify your ‘sins’.
I’m confused why aa is “brainwashing” me and how my “blood makes them stronger” are you talking about the 14 dollars in the basket after a meeting? Damn I never thought of it like that..you’re right..oh AND they make you drink their magical coffee flavored potion before meetings..
I didn’t say AA is brainwashing you. I said you brainwash vulnerable people into powerlessness and then demand an enumeration of their character defects with rigorous honesty. Which somehow makes you feel better about your own history of ‘sins’.
And if they die because they actually believed you, well that’s just icing on the cake! (By ‘blood’ of course I mean ‘death’.)
Get some counseling, you lying little bastard…